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infamous o2 roll call...again!!
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| hellman Hive Bee |
posted 01-28-2000 09:14 PM
Succesfull O2 waCKER boys, give us your wisdom, as to let us all proceed.
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| ace NewBee |
posted 01-28-2000 09:25 PM
I had success. See my p2p post as to the details. ------------------ |
| b1055 Hive Bee |
posted 01-28-2000 10:20 PM
this was in the middle of a bible under the front pew of a church in kansas: "the o2 wacker(keg style) works well using 500ml meoh, 5g cucl2.2h2o, 1g pdcl2, 200g olefin. pressurize anywhere 100-125psi for 8-12 hours. flood with h2o. filter through celite(diatomaneous earth). looks like coca-cola syrup" ------------------ |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-29-2000 12:34 AM
hey guys, I've personally done all the wacker oxidations and can say "from experience" that the p-benzoquinone/b-wacker is the only way to go.you'll get best yields using this method(compared to any method that I personally know exist, oh yeah fuck that palladium diacetate thing,who brought up that "wack" idea anyways) and the only ratio/idea that I will ever promote is the OG'st idea that I know of is STRIKE'S (best idea this guy has come up w/ yet, at least coming from me),Strike your the shit for compiling that post on Rhodium's site(pre stir 3.6-4.0 g Pd.Cl2 w/ 700 ml.MeOH for 12 h., then add 220g p-bezoquinone, then add 100ml dh2o, then finally add safrole(not the illegal stuff,just the legal stuff) from a sep. funnel at 2-4 drops per second(I personally wrap foil around stem of funnel and neck of flask, and drip staight into vortex of mag. stirring), after that just stir for 6hrs.(any heat generated signals exothermic reaction/complete success/what your looking for, usually heat is predominate after half of addition of legal safrole from sep. funnel I've never gotten above 60c, but experiment and you'll see as long as any temp. is generated, especially 50-60C your definitely on the right track. Flood w/ 2-3L water(oil on bottom is that legal shit, wait 15min. after flooding and getly shake than drain legal shit into container, wash again w/ dh2o(2L dh2o), than wash w/ 10% NaOH wash(emulsion may form dont sweat just wait 15 min. drain bottom layer off, you'll know you've gotten all that legal shit when consistency of legal oil crap changes to consistency of water, it'll have a runny water sound draining when you know you've got water/NaOH comin' out, dont worry any wash that made it to legal stuff will be taken care of in next wash), wash w/ sodium bicarbonate wash once, than last wash with NaCl and drain. Last distill with BEST vac. pump available, don't use some crappy THOMAS compressor vac pump, work with something REAL! HAPPY HUNTING! OH YEAH- check out my complete post coming out soon concerning using something as simple as a dryer to process 1500-2000g of "not-sassy" into that "legal shit" w/ a 70-79% yield your first NOT-attempt. Evil Ass BANKROBBER |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-29-2000 12:34 AM
hey guys, I've personally done all the wacker oxidations and can say "from experience" that the p-benzoquinone/b-wacker is the only way to go.you'll get best yields using this method(compared to any method that I personally know exist, oh yeah fuck that palladium diacetate thing,who brought up that "wack" idea anyways) and the only ratio/idea that I will ever promote is the OG'st idea that I know of is STRIKE'S (best idea this guy has come up w/ yet, at least coming from me),Strike your the shit for compiling that post on Rhodium's site(pre stir 3.6-4.0 g Pd.Cl2 w/ 700 ml.MeOH for 12 h., then add 220g p-bezoquinone, then add 100ml dh2o, then finally add safrole(not the illegal stuff,just the legal stuff) from a sep. funnel at 2-4 drops per second(I personally wrap foil around stem of funnel and neck of flask, and drip staight into vortex of mag. stirring), after that just stir for 6hrs.(any heat generated signals exothermic reaction/complete success/what your looking for, usually heat is predominate after half of addition of legal safrole from sep. funnel I've never gotten above 60c, but experiment and you'll see as long as any temp. is generated, especially 50-60C your definitely on the right track. Flood w/ 2-3L water(oil on bottom is that legal shit, wait 15min. after flooding and getly shake than drain legal shit into container, wash again w/ dh2o(2L dh2o), than wash w/ 10% NaOH wash(emulsion may form dont sweat just wait 15 min. drain bottom layer off, you'll know you've gotten all that legal shit when consistency of legal oil crap changes to consistency of water, it'll have a runny water sound draining when you know you've got water/NaOH comin' out, dont worry any wash that made it to legal stuff will be taken care of in next wash), wash w/ sodium bicarbonate wash once, than last wash with NaCl and drain. Last distill with BEST vac. pump available, don't use some crappy THOMAS compressor vac pump, work with something REAL! HAPPY HUNTING! OH YEAH- check out my complete post coming out soon concerning using something as simple as a dryer to process 1500-2000g of "not-sassy" into that "legal shit" w/ a 70-79% yield your first NOT-attempt. Evil Ass BANKROBBER |
| Ultraman Hive Bee |
posted 01-29-2000 11:00 AM
Nice synopsis Bankrobber. Hellman, for more info, search for the Bright Star Synth. Its also posted at Rhodium. |
| b1055 Hive Bee |
posted 01-29-2000 01:08 PM
bankrobber - do you like giant black messes?? and those lovely stains that dont come off til your skin wears off?? ok the reason the o2 is the shit is you use like 1/10th the chemicals, and the workup is like 5 minutes, then you distill... the whole deal including a day for predissolving catalysts takes like 30-36 hours. and i KNOW the benzo wacker cant touch the 90+% of the o2....(i know very capable chemists who have worked the benzo wacker for months and are now hitting 75%[loss waves to icepick]) are you scared of pressure?? dont be, rxn vessels are equipped with blowout valves... oh yeah, hows that benzo wacker scale??(sarcasm) so on top of the minute amount of chemicals and scalabilty, lets talk workup. you hit the rxn mix with h2o(if using meoh) and filter through celite(OTC).instant layers! do you like waiting for the seperation to appear with your naoh washes?? not to belittle you, but you sound like you havent done your homework. if you want complete details, you can email me... bee1055@hushmail.com...
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| scwam Hive Bee |
posted 01-30-2000 03:03 PM
Pure medical grade 02 in a completely deflated 2l coke bottle pumped to 70-75psi with 1gm pdcl2 + 3.2grams Cucl2 (anyhydrous) predisolved and 100ml alkene via freeze separation. I have not really deteremined the best time frame for this but it seems that somewhere between the 6 to 14 hour mark works with the strongest smells of flowery, pepper like ketone with a brick blood red color. Anything after 15 hours will turn the solution black with the same smell. The successful attempts were done ~12 hours. Temp was always tried be kept below 30c. O2 uptake is never noticable until at least 1.5 hours after shaking. Uptake seems to decrease ~20 hour mark and the max uptake seems around 10 hours. |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-30-2000 10:23 PM
sorry b1o55 but the first time w/ b-wacker I got somewhere around 79-80%, never had any problems, and definitely don't put myself in a position to get that black crap on my hands or on my body, maybe you got better yields using your method than I got w/ mine, but I'll never go a day w/ worrying about where my NOT-ketone is going to come from. I personally enjoy not even thinking about worrying about the o2 pressure, hell most of the time I just go out and attend to my other daily affairs while I'm making my next run of legal oil, that to me is real peice of mind and I don't mind using this method to the day I leave this earth(never missin' a beat).But I commend you dude on your sucess w/ your methods, you sound like you got your shit together, and when I have a little more time I'll e-mail you and we can rap for a little while(discuss past successes/failures, good times/bad times). You sound like a cool dude b1o55, take care and stay on the right path.Oh yeah thanks for any tips you put in your post. BANKROBBER, The Boogeyman |
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